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May. 3rd, 2008 | 12:42 am



I never got into Iron Man or the Avengers, even in my heaviest comic reading days. It wasn't merely because the original Avengers shared the then ubiquitous Marvel trend of adding token female characters with generally passive superpowers which emphasized their fragility (thus, Invisible Girl of the Fantastic Four merely goes invisible and puts little shields around herself (the powers displayed in the movies are considerably later additions); Marvel Girl can move small things around, but usually hides and comes out at the last minute, if at all; worst of all, the Wasp grows tiny, as if to emphasize her comparative powerlessness – I've never been able to stand the Wasp.) They just seemed, I don't know, unrealistic. And by unrealistic here I don't mean the whole preposterous concept of a woman that could turn into the size of a wasp (sigh), but rather that not one issue ever gave me the feel that these characters would actually work together, or would want to actually work together – or indeed, that any of the Avengers were anything other than imported characters (Captain America) or sad shades of earlier characters (taken to extremes with the Vision, revealed as merely an android of a previous character, not to mention the ridiculous storyline where his children ended up not even existing, but Giant Man was not exactly an original character type, and Iron Man owes quite a bit to Batman.) Even Tony Stark's alcoholism felt just like another Marvel angst saga. I never felt the storylines, and never felt drawn in. I'd read an issue here or there, but that was about it.

I was expecting the same thing from the movie. But surprisingly, I was drawn in – this because the movie took the time to be something other than a mere action flick, or even a mere superhero angst flick. The script sets the film in a contemporary, very realistic Afghanistan, and doesn't flinch from showing terrorism and the price of war before moving into more action flick territory. This grounding not only gives a surprisingly real feel to a pretty preposterous storyline (er, he, um, made some super battery thing that his own company couldn't develop in a cave in Afghanistan? And just how careless would his watchers really have been, and who seriously thinks that any terrorists would believe that a single person could, even with parts, put together a major missile system in a cave in Afghanistan? I mean, really, and yet, the film makes it work) but also makes us feel that this could be really happening, while giving more than a token look at the grey morality of weapons manufacture and torture. (Incidentally, a large number of people, alas, will probably watch this film and still come out not realizing that the U.S. government has also been practicing waterboarding….but I digress. Back to the movie.) ) This is quite a lot for a superhero movie. Obviously, quite a lot of this is wish fulfillment stuff, both a "AUUGH, THE ONLY WAY I CAN COMBAT THE GREY MORALITY OF THE WAR ON TERROR IS BY GOING INSANE AND PUTTING ON A METAL SUIT WHERE I CAN TALK TO MY BRILLIANT BRITISH ROBOT AND SHOOT THINGS," and a "BUT AT LEAST I, AN INDIVIDUAL, CAN AND AM DOING SOMETHING, RIGHT?" Hmm.

This may be why this is one of the few movies I've seen that generated spontaneous cheers from the audience – that realistic background forces us to genuinely care about the supporting characters, and gives the villains genuine, believable motives, at least, up until the last ten minutes when all of this is abandoned for a pretty typical hero vs. villain fight, with pretty good special effects and those ludicrous high heels I was complaining about in the earlier post.

I doubt that any of this would have worked if Robert Downey, Jr. hadn't been playing Tony Stark – his Tony Stark is an utter asshole, but played with Downey with just enough charm to keep him likeable. Any less, and the first few scenes might have convinced us that the terrorists should have just killed him. The script also helps – it gets in a few good laughs at the right places, and with the exception of the aforementioned slightly overoptimistic terrorists, everyone is fairly believable.

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So, is the next Iron Man flick going to focus on Tony Stark's alcoholism, as I originally thought this one would (actually, I thought it would come up more in this movie, but they did at least keep a strong motif of drinks in the film) or, as that final scene would suggest, on the creation of the Avengers? And if the second, which Avengers? I understand that Robert Downey, Jr. makes an appearance in the Hulk film, suggesting that the Hulk could make an appearance, but otherwise, seriously, who? The very realistic nature of the Iron Man movie immediately means that Thor's out, and the same is true for Hercules, although Captain America could certainly make an appearance.

And then who? Ant Man/Giant Man? God help us, no. Hawkeye and Mockingbird? More than workable. The Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver? Hmm. The Black Panther? Sure. The Black Knight? Sure, if the Avengers weren't being recruited through the U.S. government, which might not want to use the term "Knight." The Black Widow? Maybe, if we go with the concept that the KGB is still training superspies and just not paying them enough to keep them from defecting. Ms. Marvel? That could be cool. She-Hulk? If Bruce Banner has a cousin in this summer's Hulk movie, I'll expect this one. Spider-Woman? Kinda hoping not.

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badgerbag

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from: [info]badgerbag
date: May. 3rd, 2008 08:03 am (UTC)
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She-Hulk would be so good if done right. Clearly the bad guy should come back - no body, and he never confessed the obvious about Stark's parents! Plus he fell into a big glowing thing that exploded. Must come back even more powerful...

And the love triangle/tension was set up nicely, I have to admit, even though I would like to some some superhero women kicking ass.

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 3rd, 2008 06:09 pm (UTC)
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Well, yeah, it was pretty obvious that we hadn't seen the last about the bad guy or the guy that I guess is going to become the Mandarin, since we didn't see his body either. I suspect more stealing of tech secrets from an increasingly alcoholic Stark next movie.

And yeah, we definitely need more superhero women kicking ass -- if done right. She-Hulk might work, but I have a bad feeling that she would be turned into a joke.

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 3rd, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
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Oh, and while I know it doesn't really fit with comics continuity, I liked Pepper enough that I wouldn't mind seeing her stay as the major love interest.

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Mario di Giacomo

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from: [info]mdg1
date: May. 3rd, 2008 11:56 am (UTC)
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You could do Thor, if you notched down his power level a bit, and wrote him more like Eomer or Aragorn (old-school ethics, modern times).

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Songdancer

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from: [info]songdancer
date: May. 3rd, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
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Can you imagine them getting Viggo for it? They'd have to do some intensive effects to bulk him up, of course, but given his thing for diving so fully into his roles, he could probably make it work. I doubt they'd include the back-and-forth body-switch between Thor and the doctor that was in the earlier comics, but they seem to have done a cross-context plot-blend on this movie, so it wouldn't be unheard of.

...and if they're taking as much from the Ultimate Avengers material as it seems, his stint with Greenpeace could help spin him into a more manageable character profile...

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 3rd, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC)
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Viggo!!!

(I have no other useful comment to add to this. Love Viggo.)

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 3rd, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
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Yes, except that I don't think that dieties of any kind are going to work well given the background they started with -- which is why I'm knocking both Thor and Hercules out of consideration for potential Avengers.

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A photographic memory but with a stuck lens cover

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from: [info]kellirose1313
date: May. 4th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for mentioning the last bit too. I'd have missed it last night but it was worth waiting through the credits for.

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 4th, 2008 11:05 pm (UTC)
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So which Avengers do you think they'll try to bring on?

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Halloween Jack

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from: [info]jackolantern
date: May. 5th, 2008 05:14 am (UTC)
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WRT having magic-based characters like Thor in the Avengers, in a mostly science/tech based world, two words: interdimensional portals Also, you could take a cue from the Ultimates and have people assume that Thor is really the product of some super-soldier program that uses the Norse gods as a thematic template, instead of him being an authentic Norse god. (Actually, that was an idea that was created by Jim Shooter for an old Avengers prose story, but whatev. ) Have Colonel Samuel L. Fury say that his hammer is really a hi-tech interdimensional battery or something, and then it turns out that even Fury really doesn't know the whole truth about Loki and so forth.

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 5th, 2008 12:26 pm (UTC)
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I can see interdimensional portals working, just not necessarily in the environment that the Iron Man movie just created, which pared down the fantasy element (except with the cars) and focused on the realism. I'm seeing a really more realism focused Avengers group -- which has room for Hawkeye and Mockingbird and the Black Widow and Captain America and even an android Vision -- but just not Norse gods.

I'm getting the distinct sense from this and other conversations that I really should start reading the Ultimates just to kinda keep up with what's going on there. I do like Thor's hammer as a hi-tech interdimensional battery.

And isn't a Thor movie coming up soon? I guess we can see how this is approached in that movie.

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Ubiquitous Bob

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from: [info]jazzhandshimmer
date: May. 5th, 2008 06:47 am (UTC)
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My two cents?

You could do an Avenger mix up and keep the feel of the Iron Man film intact. Iron Man, Warmachine (nicely alluded to), Nick Fury (even though I cringed the moment I saw Space Shaft), Hawkeye, Iron Fist, and maybe Captain America. But only if they make Cap ditch his crazy outfit, because the suit would be too much.

And maybe swap out Nick Fury for Black Widow. "We secured a super soldier serum in WWII. Meet Steve Rogers. Then the Soviets got a sample of his blood, and constructed a duplicate serum. Meet Natasha Romanoff."

It could work. And personally, I'd like to see Hawkeye in a movie. Just cuz I strangely like the character.

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Mari Ness

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from: [info]mariness
date: May. 5th, 2008 12:28 pm (UTC)
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I think it's pretty clear that War Machine will be around in the next Iron Man movie. Even I picked that up and I barely know who the guy is.

If they sleeked Captain America down into a blue suit, and put a tiny U.S. flag on each foot....

I definitely think the Avengers should include the Black Widow, but that's because I have a lust for the Black Widow. And with you on Hawkeye. They could add Mockingbird as well, I guess.

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