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Oct. 20th, 2007 | 12:17 pm
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benpeek is ranting a bit about rants about short stories, noting that people don't rant and scream as much about lousy short stories as they do about lousy episodes of, say, Doctor Who. (His point there might have been better made had he specified which of the many many versions of Doctor Who he was chatting about, but moving on.)
And I thought about this, and realized that yes, we do get mad at bad television shows and movies beyond all seeming reason, ranting and raving and even in one recent conversation of mine this week, threatening violent acts in relation to a recent terrible episode of Bionic Woman. We rant and rave and discuss or say we're going to refuse to watch TV or movies for awhile, although few of us actually reach that stage.
But with a short story? Not so much.
And I can think of one reason for this: deep down, or not so deep down, we're well aware of the vast amount of money spent to produce a really lousy hour of television or movie entertainment – compared to the almost negligible amount spent on writing a short story. The short story process works more or less like this:
1. Writers spend a few to several hours hammering out the details and the words of a specific short story, sometimes complaining to friends about the process. Now, admittedly, it's a bit difficult to calculate how much this time is worth and the money the writer might have made in the process – if the writer is a high paid attorney billing $500 an hour (not, in my experience, typical for most writers, but let's pretend more of us are called John Grisham) then, sure, this could be a fairly significant financial cost of time. Let's say $10,000, because I'm in one of those grumpy sorts of moods where nobody is paying me enough for the time I'm spending on these short stories. Add in another $5000 for the time spent by friends critiquing the story – sure, they haven't spent as much time as the writer has, but on the other hand, they have sense not to be writers, so they're probably financially more valuable than you are.
2. Short story gets sent to editors and starts the acceptance/rejection process. Let's say a nice average of 8 rejections to every 1 acceptance for any given short story; editors don't need to spend much time rejecting that one story (before the editors on my friends list start to howl, yes, yes, I know some of you do spend significant time on your rejection letters, but quite a few editors out there just don't have the time and don't bother.) The purchasing editor makes various changes and the story is paid for. Outside of a very few very limited markets in the U.S. (The New Yorker and The Atlantic, and I'm blanking on any others), most writers will receive anywhere from $25 to $1000 for a short story. Throw in $1000 for the editor's time spent on that particular story – ok, $2000, and the costs of printing and/or webhosting and/or podcasting – I'll again be overly generous and say $5000 (again, for that particular short story – and if production costs are higher I will guarantee the market is printing other things within that production costs.)
We've spent, on a generous budget, about $18,000 to produce this story. Let's round it up and say $20,000.
The typical budget for a television episode?
$500,000 and up. The budget for a single episode of ER is around $15 million now.
The typical budget for a movie? $1.5 million and way, way, way up. And the number of people involved? Far, far beyond the people involved in producing any short story – even at The New Yorker.
Even on the amateur level, filmmaking can be a major investment – pop over to
newbabel's journal where he occasionally talks about everything that he had to go through just to create a short trailer for his film.
So when we see an extraordinarily stupid or lousy or just plain boring television show or movie, I don't think we're not just reacting to the other stupidity of said show: we're also reacting, on some deep level, to the utter waste of that much money. This is money that could have been handed over to us to buy utterly cool things, or solve poverty, or whatever. Instead, it was funneled into junk.
So I think that on some level, that's what we're responding to – and why short stories just don't generate that kind of passion and rage. Because they just don't involve the same amount of money.
And I thought about this, and realized that yes, we do get mad at bad television shows and movies beyond all seeming reason, ranting and raving and even in one recent conversation of mine this week, threatening violent acts in relation to a recent terrible episode of Bionic Woman. We rant and rave and discuss or say we're going to refuse to watch TV or movies for awhile, although few of us actually reach that stage.
But with a short story? Not so much.
And I can think of one reason for this: deep down, or not so deep down, we're well aware of the vast amount of money spent to produce a really lousy hour of television or movie entertainment – compared to the almost negligible amount spent on writing a short story. The short story process works more or less like this:
1. Writers spend a few to several hours hammering out the details and the words of a specific short story, sometimes complaining to friends about the process. Now, admittedly, it's a bit difficult to calculate how much this time is worth and the money the writer might have made in the process – if the writer is a high paid attorney billing $500 an hour (not, in my experience, typical for most writers, but let's pretend more of us are called John Grisham) then, sure, this could be a fairly significant financial cost of time. Let's say $10,000, because I'm in one of those grumpy sorts of moods where nobody is paying me enough for the time I'm spending on these short stories. Add in another $5000 for the time spent by friends critiquing the story – sure, they haven't spent as much time as the writer has, but on the other hand, they have sense not to be writers, so they're probably financially more valuable than you are.
2. Short story gets sent to editors and starts the acceptance/rejection process. Let's say a nice average of 8 rejections to every 1 acceptance for any given short story; editors don't need to spend much time rejecting that one story (before the editors on my friends list start to howl, yes, yes, I know some of you do spend significant time on your rejection letters, but quite a few editors out there just don't have the time and don't bother.) The purchasing editor makes various changes and the story is paid for. Outside of a very few very limited markets in the U.S. (The New Yorker and The Atlantic, and I'm blanking on any others), most writers will receive anywhere from $25 to $1000 for a short story. Throw in $1000 for the editor's time spent on that particular story – ok, $2000, and the costs of printing and/or webhosting and/or podcasting – I'll again be overly generous and say $5000 (again, for that particular short story – and if production costs are higher I will guarantee the market is printing other things within that production costs.)
We've spent, on a generous budget, about $18,000 to produce this story. Let's round it up and say $20,000.
The typical budget for a television episode?
$500,000 and up. The budget for a single episode of ER is around $15 million now.
The typical budget for a movie? $1.5 million and way, way, way up. And the number of people involved? Far, far beyond the people involved in producing any short story – even at The New Yorker.
Even on the amateur level, filmmaking can be a major investment – pop over to
So when we see an extraordinarily stupid or lousy or just plain boring television show or movie, I don't think we're not just reacting to the other stupidity of said show: we're also reacting, on some deep level, to the utter waste of that much money. This is money that could have been handed over to us to buy utterly cool things, or solve poverty, or whatever. Instead, it was funneled into junk.
So I think that on some level, that's what we're responding to – and why short stories just don't generate that kind of passion and rage. Because they just don't involve the same amount of money.

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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
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And too a show or a movie has hype, and you've built up expectations. The only hype a short story gets is landing a Hugo or Nebula, and then you already *know* it's good. Or at least that the other fans think it's good. Other than that, it's just a book of short stories; you might know the editor's reputation, and have some small expectation, but you might not. There's no background. No breathless anticipation.
And there's a subtle aspect of time and money. Any schmoe can rewrite a story in a few hours and make it better. If the film sucks, it'll be years before it's set to rights. If an episode sucks, fuggeddabowdit. You're not going back and doing it again, EVAR.
So. That's my take on it. YMMV, IANAL, EIEIO.
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC)
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Then again, I also search out short stories and fiction in general on my own. These days, I rarely watch a TV show unless people have urged me to do so. Movies...well, I like the whole thing of going out to a movie and settling down with Raisinets or popcorn and a soda and watching, alone or with a group, and I do go to movies even when I know they'll be bad, because I do enjoy the fun of picking apart the film afterwards.
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 05:42 pm (UTC)
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Hmmm. I have a though involving MST3K and your dying story there, but I don't know whether it would qualify as torture or a brilliant idea...
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 04:02 pm (UTC)
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But I do abandon a lot of stories when they clearly aren't just working or I can't remember why I started to write them in the first place. The joy of computers is that they can stay in the hard drive, and if I'm feeling stuck, I can then review them later.
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC)
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Short stories don't tend to be serialized anymore, but I suspect they got ranted about back when they were...
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 02:57 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 03:06 pm (UTC)
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Although of course this doesn't explain movie ranting. But perhaps we're building up some sort of relationship through the trailers and posters. Advertising as relationship building.
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 08:31 pm (UTC)
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Then again, not only are bad movies and TV shows a waste of somebody's money, they're also a waste of multiple people's talent. It's similar to rock non-star Peter Himmelman and the music business: Yet there's no stopping him, even if he's convinced that the difference between "dreaming a dream and pursuing a dream is that the pursuit involves dragging a lot of people down with you."
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date: Oct. 20th, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 02:59 pm (UTC)
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But yes, with movies and television shows (and I guess ongoing attempts to create a travelling rock band) you are wasting the time and effort of more people, and that right there probably accounts for some of the outrage.
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 02:56 am (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 07:52 am (UTC)
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1) Reading for leisure has always been a fringe activity. Not just now, it's been that way always.
2) Radio, television and movies appeal more directly to the emotions of people, thus people get more worked up about them.
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 03:04 pm (UTC)
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2. I'd really disagree with point two as well -- I can't even count the number of books that operate on a direct emotional appeal. The one immediately leaping to mind is What Is The What, which is retelling the story of the boys who were trying to flee the Sudan in the early 90s, but that's hardly the only example of this.
No, I'm thinking that the relationship building may have a bit more to do with it.
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 07:35 pm (UTC)
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Another point I've just thought of is that movies and TV show everything The sets are where things are happening, the actors are what the characters look and act like. With a book, one has to visualize everything whole cloth. I've never read a book that took the time to describe a room in the detail that one can get from looking at a room for a few seconds on the screen. It may be that the personal investment of "world-visualization" has something to do with the involvement. If you have to take some part in the creation of the entertainment, you are more apt to see yourself as "part" of it. For movies and TV, you mainly tend to watch and take everything in. You're sort of an outside observer, and can thus object to things with greater ease.
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date: Oct. 21st, 2007 11:13 pm (UTC)
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