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The hotel rant

Hotel rant!

Edited to add: This was the Town and Country hotel, San Diego.

So. The hotel.

Before I begin, a general note: I have travelled, a lot, staying in everything from horrific youth hostels (and good ones) and budget hotels and business class hotels to ultra luxury hotels. I also worked in the group wholesale travel business for five years. I know hotels.

So when I say that this was the second worst hotel experience of my entire life, surpassed only by the Kyoto experience (which was, strictly speaking, not even a hotel or hostel), and that this is the first time EVER that I have gone through FOUR hotel rooms in a single stay, I am not saying this lightly. When I add that Chase Bank has agreed that I should not be charged for this stay - yes, that what, us care? bank, this should give you an idea of just how bad it was.





1) Although I have some limited mobility, I use an ultralight wheelchair.

2) Worried that the hotel would not have enough disabled rooms, I booked my room months in advance.

3) The Monday before the con, Alisa Kranostein of Twelfth Planet Press warned me that the hotel was difficult to navigate.  Worried, I called the hotel to confirm that I would be arriving on the next day, Tuesday, and I would be given one of the disabled rooms closest to the convention center.

4) When I arrived on the airport shuttle, I could not find or see any bellhops. The only entrance to the hotel lobby was up a narrow steep ramp. I tried to get up it and rolled back down crashing into a wall. At this point the other passenger in the shuttle went looking for a bellhop while the shuttle driver very kindly pushed me up into the lobby and fetched my luggage.

5) The front desk was all at standing height, with no lower wheelchair accessible heights available.

5) Although I had just confirmed the DAY BEFORE that I would be arriving that night, the desk clerk informed me that I had arrived a day early and that no disabled rooms were available. They could, however, put me in a standard room in the Palm Tower for the first night of my stay and then transfer me to a disabled room closer to the convention center on the second day.  This was upsetting since I had planned to spend Wednesday resting, not packing and changing hotel rooms again, but I agreed.

6) This room was too far away for me to reach without assistance, even without my luggage. So the hotel clerk summoned a bellhop who took my luggage and followed me outside the lobby. Once there I asked how far we had to go. He pointed and I realized I couldn't make it.

7) I pushed myself across the driveway to the front entrance, following the bellhop to the golf carts.  We then took a golf cart over to the Palm Towers.

8) While transferring from the golf cart to my wheelchair I fell.

9) As we went to the room I asked the bellhop where the nearest restaurant was and where the convention center was. He pointed and noted that I was several hundred feet from either.

10) I had problems getting through the door.

11) Once inside I called the front desk to let them know that I could not stay in the room. They put me on hold. While I was on hold I noted that the hotel's Internet was down.  When they came back on they assured me that I would be able to change rooms at "some point" the following day although they couldn't give me an exact time; checkout was at 11 and the room would have to be prepared for me, but they would contact me "sometime between 11 and 4" and move me to another room. I also noted the problem with the Internet; the clerk said, "Well, that's because you have to pay for it." I noted that payment wasn't the issue; an inability to get a signal was the issue.

12) The next morning I was not feeling that well, so I decided to order room service. When I hit the room service button I got the bellhops; after that was sorted out room service told me that my uncooked breakfast (coffee and pastries) would take 45 minutes. They offered the Trellis Cafe instead, telling me that was not too far from my room.

13) Technically that was somewhat correct.  Unfortunately, the only direct access to the Trellis Cafe was through a flight of stairs, past the pool and some lovely roses.

Wheelchair users had to go down the length of the entire building, then OUT TO A PARKING LOT, down an incline, then up an incline, then up a ramp to get breakfast. And back.

Wheelchair users also had no direct access to the swimming pool, the whirlpool, or the gift shop; access to any of these was through the parking lot and around a building.

14) Shortly after 11 PM, a maintenance guy knocked on my door to fix the phone. When he saw I was in the room, he offered to return later. I explained that I was set to transfer to another room at some point but wasn't sure when. He called the front desk to find out.

15) Although the front desk had assured me, twice, that I would be transferred that day, they had no record of this request.

16) I got on the phone again with the front desk and explained that I was a wheelchair user who needed to be in a room with full disabled access and a bathtub as close to the convention center as possible, noting that I had made this request months before and had been assured as recently as that Monday that I would be placed in a first floor room almost directly from the convention center.  (I later saw these rooms; access to the convention center was across a parking lot and a large courtyard.) She informed me that those rooms were unavailable but she could move me closer.

17) A bellhop arrived to help, moving me to the next room. We both agreed that this room was still too far; plus, I had difficulties getting into it.  I called the front desk again. Hotel room number three.

18) I arrived there at about 12:45 and, hoping to rest up before the con, promptly fell asleep.

19) Shortly afterwards I was woken up by a power saw two doors down. This was followed by hammering and drills and more power tools. The front desk didn't know how long this would go on.

20) I finally decided to give up the idea of staying in the room, and instead go down to wait for Shweta and her husband Nathaniel at the Sunshine Deli - the only place that was open and serving coffee in the hotel.

21) The Sunshine Deli can be accessed through three flights of stairs.  Or, wheelchair users can go around the building and use one of two ramps and then go through a restaurant, open for breakfast and lunch only to reach the Deli  The restaurant closes down and locks its doors at 2 pm, leaving wheelchair users with no way to access the deli. At all. To add to the problem furniture was piled up against one of the doors. Also, this meant that wheelchair users had no access to the bathroom closest to the pool, since that bathroom was by the cafe.

22) I broke down and cried.

23) (er, someplace in my notes I lost point 23)

24) At this point, I decided someone other than the front desk needed to be made aware of the situation.  I knew WFC had been having a book bag stuffing party nearby, so headed in that direction and explained, as calmly as I could, that I had no way to reach the Sunshine Deli.  A very kind woman ran interference with the front desk for me.  They initially told her about the (inconvenient) wheelchair entrance; she checked, and confirmed that this entrance was locked and blocked with furniture.  She called them back, to be told that this would be taken care of "later" and in the meantime I could wait "below" and try to get someone to bring my order out to me.  (Not that anyone in the deli could see me below.) She went and got me my chai.

25) By the time Shweta and Nathaniel arrived I was fuming, which is why I made an unplanned appearance at Mysterious Galaxy -- I didn't want to be at the hotel.

26) After the bookstore signing we returned to the convention center to register. I realized I couldn't make it back to my room, so Shauna Roberts and Rosalind M. Green-Holmes very kindly offered to assist me.

We needed both of them to open the door.

Note for future con organizers: I really do not like asking people that I have just met at dinner to help me open the door to my hotel room.

27) I returned to my hotel room after a lingering breakfast. More banging. Once again, I gave up, headed out, and joined various people for lunch. That was exhausting, so I headed back to my room. More banging and power saws.

28) I called the front desk again. They had no idea how long this would last, and put me through to maintenance, who didn't know off hand either. Maintanance contacted the guys two doors down who said they were doing a complete renovation of the room and would be working until Friday.

29) Back to the front desk again. She told me they only did maintainance from 9 to 4 when guests were "expected to be out of their rooms." I asked why they had even put me in this room in the first place, given that they were doing major renovations two doors down, and she repeated that guests were expected to be out of their rooms and offered to move me back to room two  - the one that was too far away and inaccessible. By this time I had seen disabled rooms closer to the convention center (if not exactly close) and I exploded.

30) Exhausted and miserable, I headed to the con committee and tried not to cry.  We moved me to room number four - finally on the side of the tower rooms more or less facing the convention center, where I should have been placed in the first place. I fell over on the bed and did not move for two hours.

31) The next morning I found that the shower was not working properly. No, I said to myself. I am not changing rooms again. But I did leave the hotel Sunday morning - two days ahead of schedule.

Other issues:

1) The door to the "disabled" stall on the second floor of the convention center swings inward, and because it's narrow, I could either have my wheelchair in the stall (not easily) or the door to the stall shut, not both. I needed assistance.

2) The hotel was spread out, with nothing - restaurants, rooms, convention center or bar at all close to anything else; worse, most of the pathways were connected by stairs. Some of the rooms could ONLY be reached by stairs.

3) Getting into the con suites meant getting over a bump; getting into the outside patios was difficult to impossible without assistance.

4) Because of points 2 and 3, I was forced to rely on people to push me everywhere. Which in turn left me relying on their whims.  

5) And these were just the main points.

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ravena_kade
Nov. 1st, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC)
Oh my fucking Gawd...that is horrendous. I have travelled with a friend who is disabled and had some trouble, but only in really historic, or out in the woods places that were built in the 1920s or before. You should send this list to the department of commerce of whatever city you were in as well as to the head of the hotel chain, if it is a chain.

mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:17 pm (UTC)
I have had fewer problems at historic sites, and no problems at all at the considerably cheaper (and in a questionable neighborhood) Hampton Inn in the same city. But at least in those cases it would be understandable.
jcbemis
Nov. 1st, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
wow. just ... wow.
mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
It was just unbelievably bad, and in retrospect I may owe the Hyatt Columbus hotel from last year an apology - that hotel had its problems but nothing like this.
akashiver
Nov. 1st, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
Wow. I knew from talking to you on Day 1 that the hotel situation was bad, but I didn't realize it was THIS bad. I'm so sorry you had to endure this!
mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:23 pm (UTC)
I think at that point I was only on hotel room 3.

I didn't have the blanket problems everyone else was talking about, but it would probably be just as well if I didn't get started on the disabled bathrooms in the hotel rooms.
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tithenai
Nov. 1st, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
Holy fucking shit. I'm so sorry you went through that. I'm so glad you're not being charged, because what the FUCK.
mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:26 pm (UTC)
The main charge is still on my account. Chase is handling the next part for me.
malterre
Nov. 1st, 2011 05:58 pm (UTC)
Agree with Ravenna, that sort of service needs to be reported.
mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:26 pm (UTC)
It will be.

You can't lock wheelchair users out of restaurants.
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mariness
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
It will be.

Locking me out of the Deli was just beyond unacceptable.
pingback_bot
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Two unacceptable things @ WFC: the creeper and the hotel
User shweta_narayan referenced to your post from Two unacceptable things @ WFC: the creeper and the hotel saying: [...] Hotel, San Diego, has APPALLINGLY BAD disability issues. They claim to be accessible. They are NOT. [...]
shweta_narayan
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
sending hugs.
Just signal boosted.
graygirl
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:50 pm (UTC)
Oh Mari, what a nightmare. Conventions can be stressful enough, without adding hotel problems.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:25 pm (UTC)
Well, the con part wasn't stressful. Everybody I met was great :) (Not universally true at all cons but really, WFC attendees were awesome.)
catephoenix
Nov. 1st, 2011 06:51 pm (UTC)
That's beyond awful. They should refund in full and be forced to sort out their accessibility issues.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:27 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be contacting various legal services in California.
haddayr
Nov. 1st, 2011 07:22 pm (UTC)
I am very sorry this happened to you, and I thank you for the advance notice on Where Not To Stay in San Diego.

It sounds as if they were not only being unhelpful assholes, but also breaking the ADA with these actions/inactions. I wish there were ways to enforce it beyond lawsuits, I really do.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
For the record, the Hampton Inn, the airport, the offsite hotel restaurants and Seaworld San Diego were all fully accessible. San Diego the city was fine.

The Deli and the upstairs convention bathroom were clear ADA violations. The hotel room fiasco was just poor customer service, and the room renovations issue was a sign that this hotel does not care about retaining group travellers.
sovay
Nov. 1st, 2011 07:41 pm (UTC)
That is appalling. Also, is that legal?
ayse
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
No. There are so many violations of the ADA in that report that I cannot believe the hotel is still in business.

There's a disabled guy who goes up and down the California coast suing businesses that violate the ADA. Clearly he missed one.
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dsmoen
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
Sorry for your experience. My main hatred of the restaurants being spread out is that I never got notice of when the various places would close, so they didn't manage expectations of how far I would need to walk. This led me to rely on their shuttles about 4 times when I'd prefer to walk (I'm mobility impaired, but I need to walk more even when it hurts a lot).

Also, the room the SFWA meeting was in? Had a stair that wasn't delineated in any way, and I was tired and it was early. My brain didn't parse the stair and I had a nasty spill. I didn't seem to do more than get a pain flare and slow walking out of it, but I did not need that.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:33 pm (UTC)
Oooh. I didn't make it to the SFWA meeting because I felt sick, but that's a problem. Also, that reminds me of one thing I left out -- the stair in the bar area which made it impossible for me to get to the entire bar.
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bayushi
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
*hugs hard*

I am so sorry you had to deal with that bullshit.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah :(
marydell
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
Oh my god. I'm so sorry and I agree that there should be more ways than lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Trebuchets wouldn't be inappropriate.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:45 pm (UTC)
Many people don't notice until it's right in front of them or until it hits them in the pocket, unfortunately.
pingback_bot
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:49 pm (UTC)
More Convention Facepalm
User cherylmmorgan referenced to your post from More Convention Facepalm saying: [...] there. Via Charles Tan on Twitter I found this report [...]
2muchexposition
Nov. 1st, 2011 08:54 pm (UTC)
Ugh.
Hey, Mari... saw this via Keffy's twitter feed. This TOTALLY sucks, and really puts my much-more-trivial complaints with the hotel in perspective. I have no idea if this will be helpful, but I complained about a room service problem on Twitter and T&C actually replied with a customer service person to contact: http://twitter.com/#!/TCRHotel/status/131019297026875392 . I'm not holding my breath for this to do much good, but I will write them a long, ranty letter as soon as I have a moment. Good luck getting through this, and I'm sorry we didn't get more of a chance to chat at WFC.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Ugh.
I'll be sending out several long ranty letters to various organizations this week, including the hotel.

And I'm also sorry we didn't get a chance to talk much -- I just missed FAR too much of the con to talk to as many people as I wanted to.
vylar_kaftan
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
Holy shit. This is absolutely insane. I have just revised my opinion of the hotel from "pretty but meh" to "totally useless." Are you going to write to them? Would you like any help from me or from others?
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:47 pm (UTC)
Letters are going out to multiple organizations this week; that restaurant and convention bathroom have to be changed.

I'll let people know when I need help :)
rachelmanija
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:09 pm (UTC)
Wow, that is even worse than I realized from our brief talk. I'm glad you're reporting it.

Also, it was lovely to meet you! I'm sorry the hotel was so awful.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)
Lovely to meet you as well! I think by the time we met I was deliberately trying NOT to launch into a full rant about everything that happened at the hotel.
pingback_bot
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC)
The WFC hotel
User vylar_kaftan referenced to your post from The WFC hotel saying: [...] is NOT wheelchair accessible and they violate ADA laws. Check out her report. It’s awful. [...]
julieandrews
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
Here from Shweta's post. Ugh! Sorry you had to go through all this. I wish there was some central convention.. registry or something, where we could blacklist this hotel.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 03:04 pm (UTC)
Blacklisting hotels can be difficult; often the best that can be done is word of mouth.
hawkdancer
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
This is horrifyingly awful!!!!
hawkdancer
Nov. 1st, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)
(PS I also found this via Keffy)
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kellirose1313
Nov. 1st, 2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
Wow
I applaud your ability to not go hunting for c-4 fkr revenge after all that.
mariness
Nov. 2nd, 2011 03:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Wow
Well, see, I wouldn't have been able to GET the C-4 into most of the hotel....
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pingback_bot
Nov. 1st, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
Just so you know
User supergee referenced to your post from Just so you know saying: [...] The Town and Country hotel, in San Diego [...]
pingback_bot
Nov. 1st, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
WFC Part I: A Tiger Dress and Damn, That Hotel Effin' Sucked
User pattytempleton referenced to your post from WFC Part I: A Tiger Dress and Damn, That Hotel Effin' Sucked saying: [...] deal... they absolutely SUCKED for disability access. You can see the unfortunate details here [...]
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